Pope is using Trump spat as opportunity to reclaim Christianity from MAGA: journalist

Pope Leo XIV's divide with President Donald Trump is about more than it seems at first, investigative reporter Gareth Gore told Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz on the latest episode of the Legal AF podcast.

Rather, he argued, it's about a broader push to reclaim Christianity from the far-right and improve the religion's inclusivity.

"He's involved in a controversy, is that the right word, with the president of the United States, who is probably not a member or even, you know, a fellow traveler of Opus Dei, yet is surrounded by people who are," said Wilentz. "And I'm wondering is there any kind of overlap here? Is there any kind of way in which you could imagine — this is pure speculation, I'm not asking you to talk about things you don't know, but nevertheless, you get a sense that he is aware of the larger implications of this as far as Trump is concerned? He's talking about the war for the most part. But it's not just about that, is it? I mean, it's something larger behind all of this, isn't there?"

Gore concurred there's a larger issue at play — and a bit later in the segment, elaborated on what he thinks that is.

"He named Trump by name ... He said, 'Look, I have no fear of the Trump administration,'" said Gore. "And he's made all kinds of speeches where he said things like, 'Woe to those who manipulate religion and the very name of God for their own military, economic, or political gain.' And he said that, you know, I do not think the message of the gospel should be abused, as some are doing. I mean, it's quite clear, you know, and that these are things that he said since this spat began."

"I think he's almost using the spat as an opportunity to speak out against the way that Catholicism in general has been co-opted by a number of politicians around Trump," said Gore. "I mean, I agree with you. I don't think Trump is religious in any way. And, you know, I don't profess to speak for Vance and others, but you know, their understanding and reading of Catholicism and of Christianity more generally is at odds with, you know, the previous pope, the current pope, and many other religious leaders around the world. And so, you might have to raise questions about their own understanding of their own faith."

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